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paul
Posted: Thursday, November 06, 2008 9:23:11 PM

Rank: Big Finish
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Joined: 1/9/2008
Posts: 121
Points: 30,194
Location: Kent, UK
Yetaxa wrote:
Fact: I'm closing in on 1,000 points

Congrats
Yetaxa wrote:
Query: Will I get a reward for it?

Ummm, a pat on the back?

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quaiacom
Posted: Friday, November 07, 2008 11:35:53 AM

Rank: Commander
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Joined: 2/13/2008
Posts: 147
Points: 247
Do you acrue points at different rates? I think I've lost points recently for some reason but can't think what it could have been...
Yetaxa
Posted: Friday, November 07, 2008 7:04:31 PM

Rank: Brigadier
Groups: Member

Joined: 7/13/2008
Posts: 1,127
Points: 3,302
Location: Sudbury, Suffolk
Fact: So far as anyone knows, they have a mind of their own......................

31st December 2008: Return of the Krotons "You will be dispersed!"
Yetaxa
Posted: Saturday, November 08, 2008 10:50:47 AM

Rank: Brigadier
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Joined: 7/13/2008
Posts: 1,127
Points: 3,302
Location: Sudbury, Suffolk
Fact: I myself have 6 points more than I should have, but I haven't done anything special.

31st December 2008: Return of the Krotons "You will be dispersed!"
Yetaxa
Posted: Saturday, November 08, 2008 10:58:10 AM

Rank: Brigadier
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Joined: 7/13/2008
Posts: 1,127
Points: 3,302
Location: Sudbury, Suffolk
Query: Do I get a pat on the back now, Paul?

31st December 2008: Return of the Krotons "You will be dispersed!"
Yetaxa
Posted: Saturday, November 08, 2008 11:06:27 AM

Rank: Brigadier
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Joined: 7/13/2008
Posts: 1,127
Points: 3,302
Location: Sudbury, Suffolk
Fact: I just lost 100 points for deleting a post. I don't have 1000 points now.

31st December 2008: Return of the Krotons "You will be dispersed!"
Yetaxa
Posted: Saturday, November 08, 2008 11:08:05 AM

Rank: Brigadier
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Joined: 7/13/2008
Posts: 1,127
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Location: Sudbury, Suffolk
Query: How did Paul go from negatives to 30,000 in one go then?

31st December 2008: Return of the Krotons "You will be dispersed!"
Yetaxa
Posted: Saturday, November 08, 2008 11:10:09 AM

Rank: Brigadier
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Joined: 7/13/2008
Posts: 1,127
Points: 3,302
Location: Sudbury, Suffolk
Conclusion: Now I have to post another 20 odd posts to get back to 1000 point. Well, here I go again...

31st December 2008: Return of the Krotons "You will be dispersed!"
Yetaxa
Posted: Saturday, November 08, 2008 12:07:31 PM

Rank: Brigadier
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Joined: 7/13/2008
Posts: 1,127
Points: 3,302
Location: Sudbury, Suffolk
Fact: I will leave(for a while) when I get to 1000 points once more.

31st December 2008: Return of the Krotons "You will be dispersed!"
Yetaxa
Posted: Saturday, November 08, 2008 12:11:47 PM

Rank: Brigadier
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Joined: 7/13/2008
Posts: 1,127
Points: 3,302
Location: Sudbury, Suffolk
Fact: I had an aim today of reaching 1000 points while I only had 300 posts. Now 63 posts later, I am nearing it once more...

31st December 2008: Return of the Krotons "You will be dispersed!"
Yetaxa
Posted: Saturday, November 08, 2008 12:12:32 PM

Rank: Brigadier
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Joined: 7/13/2008
Posts: 1,127
Points: 3,302
Location: Sudbury, Suffolk
Fact: I've got 1000 points again.
Conclusion: Bye, bye for now.

31st December 2008: Return of the Krotons "You will be dispersed!"
Yetaxa
Posted: Saturday, November 08, 2008 12:13:04 PM

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Location: Sudbury, Suffolk
Fact: I WILL be back tomorrow at the latest.

31st December 2008: Return of the Krotons "You will be dispersed!"
mumbojumbo21
Posted: Saturday, November 08, 2008 1:06:51 PM

Rank: Lieutenant-Commander
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Joined: 2/17/2008
Posts: 54
Points: -129
Location: New York
Yetaxa wrote:
Fact: I had an aim today of reaching 1000 points while I only had 300 posts. Now 63 posts later, I am nearing it once more...
You should care more for the quality of each post you make, not the points accrued from it.

On-topic, I just earned -100 points for deleting a post!

"Oil an emergency?! It's about time the leaders of this planet of yours realised that to remain dependent upon a mineral slime simply doesn't make sense."
—The Doctor "Terror Of The Zygons" (1975)
Yetaxa
Posted: Saturday, November 08, 2008 3:14:44 PM

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I do take care on the quality, but sometimes I have a small point to make.

31st December 2008: Return of the Krotons "You will be dispersed!"
mumbojumbo21
Posted: Saturday, November 08, 2008 4:32:54 PM

Rank: Lieutenant-Commander
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Joined: 2/17/2008
Posts: 54
Points: -129
Location: New York
Yetaxa wrote:
I do take care on the quality, but sometimes I have a small point to make.
Sometimes is a huge understatement.

"Oil an emergency?! It's about time the leaders of this planet of yours realised that to remain dependent upon a mineral slime simply doesn't make sense."
—The Doctor "Terror Of The Zygons" (1975)
Yetaxa
Posted: Saturday, November 08, 2008 4:35:56 PM

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Yes you're right. Most of the time.

31st December 2008: Return of the Krotons "You will be dispersed!"
Yetaxa
Posted: Saturday, November 08, 2008 4:44:24 PM

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Location: Sudbury, Suffolk
Right, back on topic one gets 3 points for making a post and -100 points for deleting one, which explains several members' negative points. The only one that is unexplained is Paul's 30,000 points. There may be a logical reason for it.

31st December 2008: Return of the Krotons "You will be dispersed!"
davidlant
Posted: Sunday, November 09, 2008 10:05:57 AM
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Joined: 3/20/2008
Posts: 252
Points: 762
Location: Exeter
Yetaxa wrote:
Right, back on topic one gets 3 points for making a post and -100 points for deleting one, which explains several members' negative points. The only one that is unexplained is Paul's 30,000 points. There may be a logical reason for it.


There is an obvious possible explanation for Paul's points. He's the administrator, so might be able to give himself whatever points he likes.

I would like to add my observation that the downside to awarding points purely for posting is that, hypothetically, someone could post lots of messages simply in order to accrue points and gain ranking, rather than to add anything to the topic in question. This is demonstrated by the illogical fact that simply by deleting a post you lose points. It would seem that whoever designed the system assumed that messages would only ever be deleted for punitive or editorial reasons, thus making it an unpleasant event. It means the ranking rewards quantity and not quality. That's almost inevitable in an automatic system, since there's no way the forum engine could evaluate the quality of someone's post.

What I would like to suggest is that if anybody does want to simply increase their points or ranking, that they start a topic of their own, and simply post messages to that. Otherwise, for example, it could become difficult to judge which threads are active because when you go to look, it appears that nothing new has actually been said. It could also, possibly, result in members not posting on those threads because they stop checking them for pertinent posts.

Because, as yet, there is no advantage gained from attaining any given rank or points score, I don't really understand the desire to accelerate up the scale. Someone who is ranked at Commander is no more valuable a contributer than a first-time poster. Nor do higher ranks acquire any more authority. So in the grand scheme of things, the rankings are only a quaint little fun feature of very little significance compared to the interesting and engaging conversations that take place on this forum.

I would be quite happy if the forum were to stop displaying the points scored and simply show a rank. I don't know if that's possible, but I dare say others like to see how they are progressing.

All the best,

David
ChrisJW
Posted: Sunday, November 09, 2008 11:03:30 AM

Rank: Captain
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Joined: 2/1/2008
Posts: 422
Points: 1,072
Location: Going around the country in a Narrowboat
davidlant wrote:


I would be quite happy if the forum were to stop displaying the points scored and simply show a rank. I don't know if that's possible, but I dare say others like to see how they are progressing.


I agree, but loose the Ranking too. I think, if anything, "Points" and "Rankings" can be quite divisive. I've been on fora before that have been ruined purely by people saying 'I have more points than you therefore, shut up'. I've seen this on a Canal site regarding electricity - a new member was trying to correct a mistake from a high-points member, a mistake that could have potentially caused a major fire aboard. Thankfully, the high-pointer was eventually quelled and accepted his mistake, but he had gained support purely as he posted QUANTITY not QUALITY until people actually bothered to read back and see he'd been slammed for giving the same crummy (I'd use a better word, but the filter would kick in!) information before.

I no longer use that particular forum.

Sorry, I know that sort of thing is unlikely to happen here, but it just shows how these systems can be, for wont of a better phrase, abused.


(That's odd. The filter hasn't been upset by the word 'Canal')

"omnia audite, omnia videte, nil dicite; omnia edite, omnia bibite, nil prodigite; nunquam aliquid, nisi pro vobis, inhonorati facite"
Yetaxa
Posted: Sunday, November 09, 2008 11:39:25 AM

Rank: Brigadier
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Joined: 7/13/2008
Posts: 1,127
Points: 3,302
Location: Sudbury, Suffolk
All they really need to show is the name, to be honest. I know I went on a while ago for what I got, but I've gone a bit mad recently and I apologize.

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