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108. Doctor Who: Assassin In The Limelight Options
Barnaby
Posted: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 6:30:01 PM

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Hi Folks,

If you have any questions about Assassin In The Limelight, feel free to pose them here.

Thanks!

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terminus
Posted: Thursday, August 21, 2008 3:42:12 PM
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Not a question about the play, but just tried to listen to the download of this and is anyone getting a hiccup on the first track?
EverybodyelsE
Posted: Thursday, August 21, 2008 4:41:29 PM

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terminus wrote:
Not a question about the play, but just tried to listen to the download of this and is anyone getting a hiccup on the first track?

Can you describe this 'hiccup' and the time in which it occurs?


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terminus
Posted: Thursday, August 21, 2008 5:03:44 PM
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It's on the first track of the play, about a minute and a bit in when they're talking about the night before (?).
paul
Posted: Thursday, August 21, 2008 5:24:08 PM

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terminus wrote:
It's on the first track of the play, about a minute and a bit in when they're talking about the night before (?).


Terminus,

Have you tried downloading it agian and does it have the same issue? If so I will re-encode it form the masters thi weekend.

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terminus
Posted: Thursday, August 21, 2008 5:42:41 PM
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Yeah, I tried redownloading it earlier (I'd downloaded it first a few weeks ago, I think) and it still had the same hiccup because I thought my first download might not've downloaded properly.
paul
Posted: Thursday, August 21, 2008 9:42:14 PM

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terminus wrote:
Yeah, I tried redownloading it earlier (I'd downloaded it first a few weeks ago, I think) and it still had the same hiccup because I thought my first download might not've downloaded properly.


Okay, thanks for letting me know, I shall look into it and re-encode it.

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terminus
Posted: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 1:19:51 PM
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Did this get sorted?
terminus
Posted: Monday, September 01, 2008 6:09:04 PM
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Ahem?

Must've been forgotten, cos I just downloaded it again to see if it had been sorted out and it not mentioned, but the hiccup is still there.

It's about 1.45 minutes into the first track of the actual story.

PARKER : Mr Booth, fresher than a tulip and seeing the state you was in last evening ... (hiccup occurs here) ...

BOOTH : ... you were in my friend, it's a miracle you're upright.
Eldrad
Posted: Monday, September 08, 2008 1:37:12 AM

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I've just listen to the first CD.

But my comment is about the behind the scenes chapters on CD 1.
There was a bit of a spoiler about how it ends!

Big Finish, perhaps watch that in the future, or give
a Spoiler warning!
Barnaby
Posted: Monday, September 08, 2008 10:14:22 AM

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Eldrad wrote:
I've just listen to the first CD.

But my comment is about the behind the scenes chapters on CD 1.
There was a bit of a spoiler about how it ends!

Big Finish, perhaps watch that in the future, or give
a Spoiler warning!


Oh dear, sorry about that. We do check them all for possible spoilers, but it's almost impossible to prevent all revelations from creeping through.

I think the best thing to do is to think of all the CD extras as containing possible spoilers. I'd recommend listening to them only once you've finished the whole adventure. I mean, you wouldn't stop a film halfway through and watch part one of the Making Of, would you?

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terminus
Posted: Monday, September 08, 2008 11:09:47 PM
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Well, it might be more sensible for the extras to all be placed after the story has finished too.
Barnaby
Posted: Monday, September 08, 2008 11:28:55 PM

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terminus wrote:
Well, it might be more sensible for the extras to all be placed after the story has finished too.


That's certainly an idea, but they'd be half the length overall. I don't think it's a big problem, to be honest. In my experience, people are more than capable of switching off the CD extras after they've listened to Parts One and Two and before embarking on Parts Three and Four. And if they rip it to iTunes, they can simply shuffle the tracks so that both sets of extras happen after the complete story. The alternative would be a lot of blank space on CD One and the omission of half the interviews.

Please note that the views expressed by Barnaby are his own opinions and do not reflect official Big Finish policy. They may also be daft.

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Posted: Monday, September 08, 2008 11:46:26 PM

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Barnaby wrote:
terminus wrote:
Well, it might be more sensible for the extras to all be placed after the story has finished too.


That's certainly an idea, but they'd be half the length overall. I don't think it's a big problem, to be honest. In my experience, people are more than capable of switching off the CD extras after they've listened to Parts One and Two and before embarking on Parts Three and Four. And if they rip it to iTunes, they can simply shuffle the tracks so that both sets of extras happen after the complete story. The alternative would be a lot of blank space on CD One and the omission of half the interviews.


I think people want to have three episodes on disc 1 and one episode (plus extras) on disc 2. Three episodes fit onto one disc, but only if you keep them short. Big Finish produces some episodes that would be too long for this, so I don't think the idea really works....

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Posted: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 9:16:57 PM

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Just had a chance to listen to this! Kind of surprised more people haven't commented on the story.

SPOILERS...






I really like the 6th Doctor and Evelyn together. I haven't listened to all their past adventures yet though. I'm only up to Project: Lazarus so I have to ask - what story does Knox first appear in? I'd like to go back and listen to that one. Edit: Ah, it's Medicinal Purposes.

I thought the setting was ripe for some fun even though it's a grim circumstance. Currently living in "The Land of Lincoln" (one of several 'Lands of Lincoln' in the US, though Illinois probably has a more substantial claim than some) I found it sort of fascinating. There are placards EVERYWHERE throughout the state detailing even his most inconsequential stop. I like how that sort of presence was maintained in the story, even though it occurred while he was still alive. Having him be very much a part of the story without appearing in it seems smart to me.

I visited the Lincoln Museum in Springfield (which is actually quite cool with a holographic show and a multi-media presentation and such) and they have wax figures of Lincoln and his family, with a creepy wax John Wilkes Booth skulking in a corner. So that was the image I had in my head for the play and it seemed appropriate. I thought Booth's characterization as (most probably) a homosexual was an interesting bit of color which I hadn't heard about. I think in a way it sort of humanized him and rounded him out a bit from the skulking figure I have in my head. It's useful because he's pretty much just an annoying bastard in the play.

The incorporation of "Oscar Wilde" was fun. It was a great sort of "what's going on here?" mystery and allowed the writer to have some fun with the Booth/Wilde conversation. I thought the story had enough twists and turns to keep it interesting without getting too convoluted (which is always a danger.) I liked Knox as a character overall. I'm intrigued to find out how he got a TARDIS in the first place. I also thought it was interesting that he learned a way to "regenerate" himself. Although I'll have to go back and listen again... did he have some plan to get back to his TARDIS?

So overall I have to say I enjoyed it quite a bit.

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Posted: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 10:06:00 PM
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For “Assassin in the Limelight” we have the return of two foes for the price of one. Furthermore we find the 6th Doctor and Evelyn in the United States on one of Doctor Who’s comparatively rare visits to that continent. Having struggled somewhat with Robert Ross’s earlier contributions of “Medicinal Purposes” and “Pier Pressure”, I’m pleased to say that this time I didn’t find myself as confused or distracted.

With the historical setting in the events surrounding the assassination of Abraham Lincoln, Big Finish again shows off its talent for atmosphere, drama and characterisation. The American cast members are every bit as enthusiastic about their roles as the regulars, which certainly helps to lift the atmosphere. In the middle of all this, however, the wonderful tones of Leslie Phillips stand out like a beacon. The contrast between his plumy English accent and the local vernacular seems to highlight how anachronistic Knox is, adding to the incongruity of the identity he has chosen this time.

The Doctor coins a very handy new expletive in this adventure, namely: “PGH Fender!” After this gentle introduction to the story, things start to move along quite nicely. It is especially rewarding to hear Evelyn telling the Doctor exactly where they are and its significance, rather than the norm where the Doctor expounds his voluminous knowledge to an awe-struck companion. Indeed, Evelyn does quite well in this production, picking up significant Brownie points for deduction, observation and timely intervention. Although the travellers’ relationship seems as friendly as ever, it is put under a little strain at times. I particularly enjoyed the episode in Lafayette Park with Doctor Knox impatiently calling a countdown while the Doctor and Evelyn bicker.

Of the locals I particularly appreciated Henry Clay Ford played by Alan Marriott and Lizzie Williams portrayed by Madeleine Potter. Ford exudes that smiling charm so characteristic of the enthusiastic theatre professional. Even when he thinks he is confronted by burglars he still manages to sound friendly and engaging. Alan Marriott’s timing and emphasis are delightfully well employed to comic effect. Lizzie Williams is a woman trying to make the most of her circumstances. Although initially quite manipulative and colluding, she soon decides what is right and what is wrong, trying to make amends for her poor judgement of character. Even the weak Major Eckert ends up trampling her down in his efforts to save his own reputation in the end.

Once again, the plot is a little on the convoluted side. It certainly lacks the moral ambiguity of “Medicinal Purposes”, but the complexities in the events are not as obscure on this occasion. It would seem to be a characteristic of Knox’s activities that he layers his intentions and motivations in order to distract and deflect scrutiny. What adds even more twist to his already murky machinations is the inclusion of the creatures from “Pier Pressure”. In doing this, Knox manages to out think the Doctor on more than one occasion, showing that he is a more dangerous opponent than he might have seemed before.

The audio production is as fine as always. The scenes in the streets, the park, the theatre and various other places all have enough ambiance and effects to firmly place the action in 19th century America. The effects for the aliens are different from those used in “Pier Pressure”, especially given that Doug Bradley’s voice wasn’t treated at all in the earlier release. I also spotted a trivial and completely inconsequential continuity error in that the glow was described as blue this time, whereas it was referred to as green on multiple occasions in Brighton. Perhaps they all have different personal colour schemes. Angel Musically this play is quite sparing. The arrangements are often just used to transition between scenes. Even when they feature for dramatic effect they are concise and straightforward. Much of the dialogue and action, however, takes place without a musical background to no detriment.

As a return for Doctor Robert Knox, “Assassin in the Limelight” is an interesting and entertaining production. It would be a shame if Leslie Phillips couldn’t be found a way to reprise the role, even if it does deny Barnaby Edwards a star billing. On the merits of this story, I think Knox does indeed have the makings of a worthy regular adversary for the Doctor. He is a veritable modern replacement for the Time Meddling Monk, with as much disregard for temporal integrity as he does for human suffering. I think this production stands among the regular good standard releases in the monthly Doctor Who range.


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Posted: Thursday, November 13, 2008 8:53:28 PM

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I thought this was great. This is the only Evelyn story I've heard,but she's great in it. Leslie Philips works so well as the renegade Knox. His singing of that tune towards the end is excellent.
It another of those great stories that deals with not changing history, like The Aztecs.

2009 will be an historic year for Doctor Who, with no full series on TV as well as the release of Planet of the Daleks on DVD and with Big Finish there are several seasons with the Krynoids, Wirrn , Eight Legs, Ice Warriors, Black Guardian and, er, Daleks.
This will also see the departure of Charlotte Elspeth Pollard from the range after 8 years of stories with Blue Forgotten Planet(It's so sad)
Michael
Posted: Friday, November 14, 2008 2:04:04 PM
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I was sad that Knox "regenerated" at the end of this story as I really loved Leslie Philip's voice.
However he is getting older and at least this way it allows a possible return of the character.
I wonder if there would be any scope to get Leslie back for an adventure set between Medicinal Purposes and Assasin in the Limelight? I'd love for him to meet Sylvester!
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Posted: Friday, November 14, 2008 4:40:41 PM

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Michael wrote:
I was sad that Knox "regenerated" at the end of this story as I really loved Leslie Philip's voice.
However he is getting older and at least this way it allows a possible return of the character.
I wonder if there would be any scope to get Leslie back for an adventure set between Medicinal Purposes and Assasin in the Limelight? I'd love for him to meet Sylvester!


Gah! d'oh! I haven't listened to this story yet! Never mind the CD extras, we need spolier warnings on some posts. Although I supose it's fair to ask what I'm doing browsing the discussion thread for a story I've yet to listen to...
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