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gamehen9
Posted: Thursday, August 14, 2008 3:11:27 AM

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So, my CD of Zero arrived and I listened to it last night. Re-listened to part of it again this evening. A very good story with nice development of the characters. Very dramatic and tense. It's good to finally get a full cast of Elementals, so to speak. Parts of the audio had a similar feel to the Doctor Who Memory Lane story.

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paultapner
Posted: Thursday, August 14, 2008 9:42:43 PM
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and some interesting information about elementals who don't appear
waldo
Posted: Friday, August 15, 2008 4:18:33 PM
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paultapner wrote:
and some interesting information about elementals who don't appear


Perhaps there are plans to introduce them at some point. That would be cool. Each is so different and individual (both in personality and abilities).
Foamasi
Posted: Friday, August 15, 2008 5:25:13 PM

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That was interesting! We first hear about Copper & Silver having trouble back in Assignment I of the TV show. Now we find out he's "Dour" and had difficulties training Silver.

I want to see Paul McGann as another element, since the rumour-mill says he's dating Susannah Harker (Sapphire). Perhaps as Mercury, who is in competition with Silver for Sapphire's affections?
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Posted: Friday, August 15, 2008 8:28:00 PM
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Foamasi wrote:
That was interesting! We first hear about Copper & Silver having trouble back in Assignment I of the TV show. Now we find out he's "Dour" and had difficulties training Silver.

There was a little cut to a line in Remember Me. When trying to explain to Steel what a 'comedian' was, I'd scripted Sapphire saying 'think of Copper'. I'd visualised him as a cheeky ****ney, faintly like a mechanic. Obviously, this was dropped to avoid a clash with the Copper outlined above.
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Posted: Friday, August 15, 2008 8:30:06 PM
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Dorney wrote:
Foamasi wrote:
That was interesting! We first hear about Copper & Silver having trouble back in Assignment I of the TV show. Now we find out he's "Dour" and had difficulties training Silver.

There was a little cut to a line in Remember Me. When trying to explain to Steel what a 'comedian' was, I'd scripted Sapphire saying 'think of Copper'. I'd visualised him as a cheeky ****ney, faintly like a mechanic. Obviously, this was dropped to avoid a clash with the Copper outlined above.

Falling foul of the swear filter there.

Though, intriguingly, if you want to see what's been covered over, just quote my reply!
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Posted: Saturday, August 16, 2008 2:37:57 PM

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Though I get my Doctor Who CD's from BF I get my S&S fix from Amazon so I'm still waiting !!! Sounds good though.

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Posted: Friday, August 22, 2008 7:21:54 PM

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Dorney wrote:
There was a little cut to a line in Remember Me. When trying to explain to Steel what a 'comedian' was, I'd scripted Sapphire saying 'think of Copper'. I'd visualised him as a cheeky ****ney, faintly like a mechanic. Obviously, this was dropped to avoid a clash with the Copper outlined above.


You could say a Chocky Ceekney maybe?

I like that idea, it's too bad someone beat you to the punch in making an effort to define him.

Is there any kind of directive about the abilities of each element? What I've noticed:

Silver - Machines
Ruby - Music
Gold - Vehicles

jimtinney
Posted: Saturday, August 23, 2008 8:17:23 PM

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Foamasi wrote:
Is there any kind of directive about the abilities of each element? What I've noticed:

Silver - Machines
Ruby - Music
Gold - Vehicles


From http://www.lostaddress.org/2008/07/20/sapphire-and-steel-uk-tv-series/
Of the characters, Steel’s powers are not really shown apart from the fact that he is able to drop his body temperature down to near absolute zero, he employs telekinesis, that he is able manipulate most machinery and electronics, that he can be extremely strong (as when he ties a knot in an elevator cable to prevent the car from reaching their floor), he can render people immobile with a touch and that his body can be impervious to injury. We are also shown his single mindedness and callousness with human lives. Sapphire has a wider range of powers: she can turn back time for varying periods, she can tell the age of any object and when it was made, she can tell the age of any human being and the exact point at which they will die, she employs “spot analysis” to divine whether a person is a human or not, she can tell what period they have arrived in and which period(s) they are in at any one moment and she can create visual images of anything or anyone. Both Operatives have telepathy, the ability to teleport and the ability to change the clothes they are wearing (the clothes are described as “images”).




jhuxford
Posted: Sunday, August 24, 2008 2:53:55 PM
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Foamasi wrote:

Is there any kind of directive about the abilities of each element? What I've noticed:

Silver - Machines
Ruby - Music
Gold - Vehicles



Hi - was gold simply "vehicles"? I thought that his powers had something to do with how objects interacted with one another - i.e. he could control friction, inertia, that kind of thing. Was I over-complicating it?

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Posted: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 1:24:38 PM
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I recall his ability to control friction being mentioned in zero
chris
Posted: Monday, September 15, 2008 1:27:02 PM

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Anybody know why Play.com still don't have this in stock, but have the subsequent play in stock?
echosend
Posted: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 9:38:34 PM
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jimtinney wrote:

From http://www.lostaddress.org/2008/07/20/sapphire-and-steel-uk-tv-series/
Both Operatives have telepathy, the ability to teleport and the ability to change the clothes they are wearing (the clothes are described as “images”).


I'm a little fuzzy on the teleport thing. We know that they can do it but never use it when their lives were in danger, getting to the other side of a locked door when it was impervious to Steel, Silver getting from one level of the shuttle to another when the splinter/shadow/robot was approaching him. The whole thing of how they arrive or depart an assignment is never clear either. What stops Gold from leaving the shuttle even microseconds after the shuttle explosion?
waldo
Posted: Thursday, October 02, 2008 5:35:17 AM
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paultapner wrote:
I recall his ability to control friction being mentioned in zero


And in The Passenger. He couldn't affect the engine of the train, but he could speed it up and slow it down by affecting the friction between the wheels and the tracks.

Controlling friction doesn't sound like a lot, but it would make you very powerful.
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Posted: Thursday, October 02, 2008 4:42:49 PM

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I have read this thread and had never noticed that my site is now a resource :) I'll have to do more S&S stuff!
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Posted: Thursday, October 02, 2008 9:35:19 PM

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echosend wrote:
jimtinney wrote:

From http://www.lostaddress.org/2008/07/20/sapphire-and-steel-uk-tv-series/
Both Operatives have telepathy, the ability to teleport and the ability to change the clothes they are wearing (the clothes are described as “images”).


I'm a little fuzzy on the teleport thing. We know that they can do it but never use it when their lives were in danger, getting to the other side of a locked door when it was impervious to Steel, Silver getting from one level of the shuttle to another when the splinter/shadow/robot was approaching him. The whole thing of how they arrive or depart an assignment is never clear either. What stops Gold from leaving the shuttle even microseconds after the shuttle explosion?


I suspect that it's used more as a device than a power.... It explains how they get from assignment to assignment and stands in for extreme ninja stealthiness when you want one of them to appear surprisingly.

I hadn't really thought too much about it as I suppose that having S&S teleport about and then find everything they need to via telepathy would make the show really boring.

Quote:
Assignment 24
A house. S&S appear in the bedroom. The MOTHER is there.
"Why are we here SAPPHIRE?"
"Well STEEL, the woman here hears the voices of dead soldiers in her bathroom. However, digging deeper, there was an old miner's burial ground which TIME is trying to use. If we sing 'Roll Out The Barrel' backwards, it will all be over"
*they do so*
"Now STEEL, how do we kill the next 35 minutes?"
Foamasi
Posted: Friday, October 03, 2008 7:01:35 PM

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RayBayley1 wrote:
I suspect that it's used more as a device than a power.... It explains how they get from assignment to assignment and stands in for extreme ninja stealthiness when you want one of them to appear surprisingly.


The thing is, I've never seen anything technological about Sapphire & Steel at all. It all seems to be internal powers. When they do use devices, which is rare, it's ones that they made with their powers, like Silver building a doorway out of raw materials in Assignment 3.

I've always seen them as god-like beings and not "aliens" or "superheroes". It's said in "Water Like a Stone" they're like "notes" or a "resonance". This is very like Neil Gaiman's "The Endless" who are personifications of abstract concepts:

"The Endless are merely patterns. The Endless are ideas. The Endless are wave functions. The Endless are repeating motifs. The Endless are echoes of darkness, and nothing more...And even our existences are brief and bounded. None of us will last longer than this version of the Universe."

Something I did find interesting in "Zero", Sapphire says "4 of us arrived here, 4 of us can leave". I found that extremely interesting.

waldo
Posted: Friday, October 03, 2008 7:34:18 PM
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Foamasi wrote:
The thing is, I've never seen anything technological about Sapphire & Steel at all. It all seems to be internal powers. When they do use devices, which is rare, it's ones that they made with their powers, like Silver building a doorway out of raw materials in Assignment 3.


In the audios, Silver has referred to the "telepathic communicator" in a way that suggests it's technological, though that distinction may be somewhat irrelevant. Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic, after all. Or it may just be that Silver, being a technician, sees everything in technological terms. It may be a POV question.

Foamasi wrote:
I've always seen them as god-like beings and not "aliens" or "superheroes". It's said in "Water Like a Stone" they're like "notes" or a "resonance". This is very like Neil Gaiman's "The Endless" who are personifications of abstract concepts:


This is a good comparison, especially in how each is so different, but I've also thought of the wizards in Lord of the Rings, who were manufactured entities, in humanoid form. They were created for a purpose, but they could be trapped or hurt or killed (or seduced away from their intended purpose).

Foamasi wrote:
Something I did find interesting in "Zero", Sapphire says "4 of us arrived here, 4 of us can leave". I found that extremely interesting.


Me, too. It does seem that, whatever may be true about the rest of their abilities, their transportation is external to them in some way, since, as RayBayley1 indicated, if they could teleport around all the time at will, the stories would be really short and uninteresting. That's why, on Star Trek, once the transporter was established, there had to be all sorts of limitations, malfunctions and other interference to bring tension to the stories.

BTW, here is a mention in All Fall Down of them (or at least Steel) walking to get there, and then both of them walking away together at the end, which is a nice image.
jimtinney
Posted: Friday, October 03, 2008 10:26:58 PM

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I'm going to have to go back and watch the old series now, to get a list of what was explicitly or implicitly shown of their powers... I think the observation is correct about teleportation - they seem capable of being teleported, but not teleporting per se...

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