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    The Listeners #8: Doctor Who: Heroes of Sontar

    This month's Listeners is the first Big Finish Sontaran story, Heroes of Sontar.
    http://bigfinish.com/releases/v/heroes-of-sontar-312

    Let us know your thoughts below...

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    I love Heroes of Sontar. Only spoiled by a nigh on indecipherable voice towards the end. I'll give this another listen soon.

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    Hmm. I think you've got me. I'd normally skip this, it being a Peter Davison with Turlough & Tegan, but at $2.99 for a 120-minute main range offering and one of my favorite alien races, it's verrrry tempting. I think I'll go ahead and do it. Well chosen.

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    I missed the announcement for this installment of The Listeners.

    Anyway, I listened to Heroes of Sontar relatively recently, just over a month ago. I did enjoy it, but Chopper was right, one of the main issues was with the Witch Guard voices. And I didn't get how the transmitter affected both the Sontarans and the Witch Guard. Fun story, nonetheless. Particularly Tegan snarking at the Sontarans, with her comment about Napoleon coming to mind.
    *insert pithy comment here*

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    This is one of those audios that Ive actually made a point of listening to three or four times. Its brilliant, a fantastic adventure with two strong teams of likeable characters. Its always good to hear the Fifth Doctor crew, and theres lots of nice moments in this adventure, Tegans arguing with Sontarans, Turloughs shared cowardice with another, Nyssa's struggle and scientific interest with the fungus infection, and of course the Fifth Doctors noble actions and risk taking all to save his friends. I found the Sontaran group extremely likeable each with a personality, despite being a clone species. A very good traditional adventure, which I found easy to follow and had me 'wanting', to hear what would happen next.
    This particular adventure would be one Id listen to again and again, very enjoyable, strong characters, script and story. Great Stuff!

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    Recommended - a good introduction to the 5th Doctor/Tegan/Turlough/Nyssa Tardis team with a lot of humour. Kind of Dad's Army in space but better than that sounds...
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    Thank god that they made a story with the fifth doctor and sontarans what a brilliant idea.

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    I thought it was a really fantastic, funny and well paced adventure, but I couldn't make out a word of what the Witch Guard were saying I'm afraid!

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    If it's all the same to Mr Spragg here is the major Witch Guard dialogue according to the script

    It's been a while since I listened to it, but I don't remember there being this much
    Spoiler: 

    At the end of Episode 2
    Spoiler: 
    WITCH GUARD (was NOLD):
    (DISTANT, APPROACHING) The blood of the Seven must be paid…
    VEND:
    There, see – the darkness, it is moving! It is alive!
    WITCH GUARD (was NOLD):
    (NEARER) Seven sacrifices must be made…
    TURLOUGH:
    I seem to be sharing your delusion.
    WITCH GUARD (was NOLD):
    (NEARER) Before the curse is lifted.
    TURLOUGH:
    Whatever it is… it’s real. And it’s coming. Run!!! (FX: VEND &
    TURLOUGH RUN)
    WITCH GUARD (was NOLD):
    (SINISTER LAUGH)


    Scene 36
    Spoiler: 
    SCENE 36: INT. IMPACT CRATER – OUTSIDE CRASHED SHIP
    (FX: OFF, BLADE SCRAPING ON STONE,ADVANCING THROUGH: )
    WITCH GUARD (was NOLD):
    (OFF) The blood of the Seven must be paid. Seven sacrifices
    must be made.
    VEND:
    Sacrifices?
    MEZZ:
    Ignore it, Trooper Vend! Raise your blaster and stand your
    ground!
    VEND:
    But – I do not have my blaster, Sergeant!
    TURLOUGH:
    I smashed it. (DEFENSIVELY) It was a good idea at the time,
    alright?
    TEGAN:
    This ship of yours, Sergeant. Does it carry weapons?
    MEZZ:
    In the armoury, yes.
    TURLOUGH:
    Well, why didn’t you say so?
    TEGAN:
    You’ve got the gun, Sergeant, you wait here. Hold that
    whatever-it-is off!
    MEZZ:
    But – the whatever-it-is, we cannot see it for the dark!
    TEGAN:
    Then take a shot in the dark!
    WITCH GUARD (was NOLD):
    (NEARER) Seven of your finest sons. Brought to us for
    slaughter. Soon. Soon. Soon! (LAUGHS)
    MEZZ:
    It seems I must – ‘Sontaran up’.
    TEGAN:
    That’s more like it. Turlough, the idiot Trooper – get in!


    Scene 38
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    SCENE 38: INT. IMPACT CRATER – OUTSIDE CRASHED SHIP
    (FX: MEZZ & VEND FIRING BLASTER & LASER CANNON RESPECTIVELY AT
    WITCH GUARD)
    MEZZ:
    Cease firing, Trooper! Cease firing!
    (FX: GUNS CUT OUT)
    WITCH GUARD (was NOLD):
    (APPROACHING) Seven of your finest sons./Brought to us for
    slaughter.
    VEND:
    The darkness, Sergeant. It’s getting nearer!
    MEZZ:
    More than that. It is forming a shape.
    (FX: SCRAPING OF BLADE, DRAGGED ACROSS FLOOR, AS THE WITCH
    GUARD, NOW CORPOREAL, APPROACHES)
    VEND:
    It is – a humanoidling. Not a ghost! We can kill it!
    MEZZ:
    No. No! Corporal Clun encountered one of these creatures once.
    (QUOTING CLUN) “Their blades deflected our weapons, turned
    Sontaran power back on itself –”
    WITCH GUARD (was NOLD):
    (ALSO QUOTING CLUN) “On it came, advancing towards us, its
    blades trailing rivers of green Sontaran blood…”
    VEND:
    What do we do, Sergeant? What do we do?
    MEZZ:
    I – I do not [know –]
    WITCH GUARD (was NOLD):
    Now. Now. Now.
    (FX: WHIRLING OF BLADE – STRIKES MEZZ)
    MEZZ:
    (SLICED) (SCREAMS)


    End of scene 69
    Spoiler: 
    They’re changing shape! Reforming!
    TURLOUGH:
    Don’t you get it – they’re the Witch Guards!
    THURR:
    Changing shape? How?
    WITCH GUARD (WAS MEZZ):
    We absorbed Rutan scouts, when they landed here.
    WITCH GUARD (WAS CLUN):
    This is why they guard Samur. To prevent our leaving.
    WITCH GUARD (WAS MEZZ):
    We absorbed their strength. Their powers.
    WITCH GUARD (WAS CLUN):
    Now, we shall absorb yours.
    4 x WITCH GUARDS:
    Now. Now. Now!!!


    Scene 72
    Spoiler: 
    SCENE 72: EXT. COURTYARD EAST
    WITCH GUARD (was MEZZ):
    The last three sacrifices, witch-kin. Destroy them! Absorb
    them!
    THURR:
    Troopers – take a humanoid each.
    TEGAN:
    (GRABBED BY THURR) What do you think you’re playing at now,
    Field-Major?
    THURR:
    Here, Witch Guards. Three sacrifices. Take them!
    TURLOUGH:
    (STRUGGLING) Idiot! It’s not us they want, it’s you lot!
    WITCH GUARD (was CLUN):
    Seven of your finest sons./Brought to us for slaughter…
    TEGAN:
    ‘Finest sons’, as if! I’ve never met a more useless bunch. –
    (BREAKS OFF) Of course, that’s it!
    NYSSA:
    What is?
    TEGAN:
    Something the Doctor said. About most Sontarans not being as
    stupid as Napoleon here.
    THURR:
    Quiet, female!
    TEGAN:
    (SOTTO) Quiet yourself. I’m trying to save your miserable life.
    (TO WITCH GUARDS) Witch Guards! Listen to me! You’ve been sold
    a pup! These are not the finest sons of Sontar! The truth is,
    they’re dispensable! The worst soldiers in the whole of the
    Sontaran Empire!
    WITCH GUARD (was CLUN):
    We know. The pilot with cataracts…
    WITCH GUARD (was MEZZ):
    The speech-less sapper…
    WITCH GUARD (was NOLD):
    (GRUNTS)
    WITCH GUARD (was CLUN):
    The senile veteran, a statistical glitch who ought to have been
    killed in action long ago…
    WITCH GUARD (was MEZZ):
    The bureaucratic Sergeant, who did all his fighting in
    Logistics…
    WITCH GUARD (was CLUN):
    The cowardly greenhorn…
    VEND:
    That is – me?
    TURLOUGH:
    If the cap fits…
    WITCH GUARD (was MEZZ):
    The morale-sapping doom-monger…
    JORR:
    I always said this was a dismal hole!
    WITCH GUARD (was CLUN):
    And then, their Field-Major. The officer with the worst
    casualty record in the whole of the Fleet. The officer solely
    responsible for the fiasco of the Gloom Moons –
    THURR:
    No! No! My strategists were to blame for that! –
    WITCH GUARD (was MEZZ):
    All of them, identified as failures, marked down for execution.
    But saved from the melting vats by Fleet Marshal Stabb.
    WITCH GUARD (was CLUN):
    Saved… to be sacrificed, here on Samur!


    Scene 74
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    SCENE 74: EXT. COURTYARD EAST
    NYSSA:
    Tegan’s right, though. If these are not the finest sons of
    Sontar, how can their sacrifice lift the curse?
    WITCH GUARD (was MEZZ):
    There are seven great clans within the Empire.
    THURR:
    Clone descendants of Sontar’s most decorated soldiers, yes.
    WITCH GUARD (was CLUN):
    These seven are genetically identical to seven of Sontar’s
    finest sons… but each is the runt of their litter!
    TURLOUGH:
    So their ‘sacrifice’ is purely symbolic?
    NYSSA:
    I don’t think so. If the Witch Guards absorb a direct copy of
    each of the Sontarans’ greatest heroes…
    TEGAN:
    … they can re-create those heroes, is that it?
    NYSSA:
    Perhaps. But why?
    WITCH GUARD (was MEZZ):
    You will never know. Comrades – destroy and absorb the
    humanoids!
    TURLOUGH:
    I thought you didn’t need us!
    WITCH GUARD (was CLUN):
    We have the memories of Sontar’s greatest heroes. We know their
    legends, about their battles with the Doctor…
    WITCH GUARD (was MEZZ):
    About his travels in time and space. About his TARDIS. Absorb
    you, and we will gain insight into its operation.
    WITCH GUARD (was CLUN):
    We shall be free of this world! We shall be free of this time!
    TURLOUGH:
    Only Nyssa knows how to fly the TARDIS. And the Doctor, of
    course.
    TEGAN:
    Turlough, you weasel!
    NYSSA:
    It’s alright, I’ll be dead soon anyway. They might as well
    absorb me, if it means you two get to live.
    TEGAN:
    No chance. No-one else is dying today. Not on my watch.
    WITCH GUARD (was MEZZ):
    You speak like a warrior, Tegan Jovanka. You, too, will be
    absorbed…
    TEGAN:
    What?!?
    WITCH GUARD (was MEZZ):
    … but the boy Turlough is too treacherous to be of value.
    TURLOUGH:
    If you say so.
    WITCH GUARD (was CLUN):
    Then kill him. But do not absorb him.
    TURLOUGH:
    What?!?
    TEGAN:
    Serves you right, ratfink.
    WITCH GUARD (was MEZZ):
    Advance and destroy them! Now! Now! Now!!!


    Scene 79
    Spoiler: 
    TURLOUGH:
    Oh no. Look who’s back!
    TEGAN:
    The Witch Guards. What happened to the transmitter?!?
    NYSSA:
    It’s still functioning, I’m sure. But the source of the psychic
    feedback… isn’t.
    TURLOUGH:
    This ‘battlesphere’, I take it?
    WITCH GUARD (was MEZZ):
    (APPROACHING) Fleet Marshal Stabb has been vanquished at last.
    We believe Sergeant Mezz would have been… pleased.
    WITCH GUARD (was CLUN):
    Now, you can no longer hurt us. Now.
    THURR:
    Is it time, then?
    WITCH GUARD (was MEZZ):
    It is time, Field Major.
    THURR:
    Then we embrace it. (CALLING) Troopers Jorr and Vend, fall in!
    TEGAN:
    What’s Thurr playing at?
    JORR/VEND:
    (STOMPING TO HALT BESIDE THURR) Field-Major./Sir!
    THURR:
    It is our time. So – we march!
    JORR:
    Into oblivion!
    THURR:
    Into glorious oblivion!
    WITCH GUARD (was MEZZ):
    Extrude your blades, witch-kin! Let your swords drink their
    plasma!
    THURR:
    Heads up, troopers! Heads up, and march!


    Scene 79
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    VEND:
    They are dead. The Field-Major. Trooper Jorr. Both dead!
    TURLOUGH:
    Yes, and none too prettily. So if you don’t want to be next –
    NYSSA:
    (FROM OFF) Turlough! Behind you!
    WITCH GUARD (was CLUN):
    The coward. It is your time now.
    TURLOUGH:
    Vend, if you want your pathetic life to have had any meaning at
    all – please, get back to the ship, protect Nyssa and Tegan.
    (BEAT) That is an order!
    VEND:
    An order?
    TURLOUGH:
    From a Junior Ensign Commander. I outrank you, believe it or
    not. Now get to it!
    VEND:
    Yes, sir! (RUSHES OFF)
    (FX: OFF, FROM THE SKY, A SONTARAN GRAVITY SPHERE IS CRUISING
    FAST TOWARDS THE GROUND THROUGH
    WITCH GUARD (was THURR):
    (APPROACHING) Let us through. Let us see the coward.
    WITCH GUARD (was CLUN):
    A deserter, it seems!
    WITCH GUARD (was MEZZ):
    We know what to do with him…
    TURLOUGH:
    (SEEING GRAVITY SPHERE) I don’t believe it. –
    WITCH GUARD (was THURR):
    Believe what, deserter?
    TURLOUGH:
    Above you? I suggest you move, if you don’t want to be squashed
    flat by the gravity sphere incoming.
    WITCH GUARD (was MEZZ):
    He speaks the truth!
    WITCH GUARD (was THURR):
    It cannot harm us. We are the Witch Guards. We are undying


    See next post

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    So I assume that the main problem is in the final scene
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    SCENE 81: EXT. COURTYARD EAST (CONTINUOUS)
    6 x WITCH GUARDS (were all except VEND):
    (SPEAKING TOGETHER) Soon, we will be together again! Soon!
    Soon! Soon!
    TEGAN:
    (STOPPING TRACKS) Oh my [God] – they’re all one creature now!
    With six heads!
    DOCTOR:
    Well, six heads are better than one.
    6 x WITCH GUARDS:
    And many hands make light work… Doctor…!
    TEGAN:
    Yeah, but twelve’s a bit excessive.
    DOCTOR:
    Fourteen, once it absorbs the last Sontaran there.
    TURLOUGH:
    What’s he thinking of? (CALLING) Vend! Come away from that…
    thing!
    VEND:
    (OFF) Stay back, Turlough!
    (FX: CROSS TO
    VEND:
    … I have chosen death! Glorious death! Death before dishonour!
    6 x WITCH GUARDS:
    Come to us, Comrade Vend. Join us.
    VEND:
    Yes. Yes! Do it! Do it [now]
    (FX: CUT OF BY SHINK OF BLADE. VEND DIES. SUCKING)
    (FX: CROSS BACK TO
    TURLOUGH:
    Stupid boy!
    DOCTOR:
    Yes, that was the last thing we needed right now.
    TEGAN:
    How do you mean?
    TURLOUGH:
    It’s growing a seventh head! Look!
    7 x WITCH GUARDS (now inc VEND):
    Together! Together… again! Whole… again!
    TEGAN:
    Is it my imagination, or is it getting bigger, too?
    DOCTOR:
    It’s not your imagination. The Witch Guard is a gestalt entity.
    It can split itself apart, when necessary, to ensure its
    survival. But it’s infinitely more powerful as one.
    TURLOUGH:
    And you know all this, how?
    DOCTOR:
    Observation. Experience. And a little intuition.
    TEGAN:
    Yes, but what does it want?
    DOCTOR:
    Let’s ask it, shall we? (STEPPING FORWARD) Witch Guard! My
    friends and I, we were wondering – now you’ve pulled yourself
    together – what your plans are, for the immediate future?
    7 x WITCH GUARDS:
    We are seven. We are one. We will use our Sontaran hosts to
    infiltrate their homeworld. Clone ourselves a billion times,
    and more.
    DOCTOR:
    Creating an unkillable army, I suppose?
    7 x WITCH GUARDS:
    We have haunted a hundred thousand fields of conflict,
    throughout countless ages. We have absorbed spear-throwers,
    swordsmen, infantrymen, cannoneers –
    DOCTOR:
    A battlefield ghoul, living off the blood of the fallen!
    7 x WITCH GUARDS:
    Now, the whole of the Sontaran military-industrial complex is
    ours for the taking!
    TEGAN:
    So – what? You’ve in the big league now?
    DOCTOR:
    Who’s next, Witch Guard? The Daleks? The Cybermen?
    7 x WITCH GUARDS:
    One of the most formidable warriors in all of creation, Doctor:
    you.
    DOCTOR:
    I’m no warrior, Witch Guard.
    7 x WITCH GUARDS:
    You have fought and won no end of battles. You have slain, and
    you have conquered.
    DOCTOR:
    Never for my own glory! Never by choice!
    7 x WITCH GUARDS:
    You want to fight, even now. Now you have no means to defend
    yourself, and no hope of escape… still, you fight!
    TEGAN:
    Yeah, but is that a strength, or a weakness? (BEAT) Doesn’t
    matter, it was a rhetorical question.
    7 x WITCH GUARDS:
    (DISTRACTED) There is… weakness…
    TEGAN:
    In the Doctor? You don’t know the half of it.
    (FX: A GURGLING, BOILING BUBBLING UP FROM WITHIN THE WITCH
    GUARD)
    7 x WITCH GUARDS:
    No. In… us. (CHOKES VIOLENTLY, SPEWING PLASMA)
    (FX: SPLATTERING ON FLOOR)
    TEGAN:
    Hey! Mind where you’re blowing chunks!
    7 x WITCH GUARDS:
    Weakness. Weakness! (SPEWS AGAIN)
    TURLOUGH:
    Doctor, what’s happening to it?
    DOCTOR:
    I have absolutely no idea.
    7 x WITCH GUARDS:
    There is… (GARGLE) … a voice within us. Its name is… Vend. It
    is saying it swallowed… coronic acid. Before it was absorbed.
    (SPEWS)
    TURLOUGH:
    The Field-Major’s pill!
    DOCTOR:
    Coronic acid destabilises clone DNA. If the Witch Guard
    absorbed that – well, no wonder it’s coming apart at the seams.
    7 x WITCH GUARD:
    We have… no strength, to decombine. Doctor, help us!
    DOCTOR:
    Nothing I can do, I’m afraid. Tegan, Turlough, I suggest you
    both take a step back.
    TEGAN:
    Why?
    DOCTOR:
    Because, very soon, there’s going to be a terrible mess.
    7 x WITCH GUARDS:
    The voice in us. It is saying:
    WITCH GUARD (was VEND):
    Dulce et decorum est…
    TURLOUGH:
    It is Vend in there!
    WITCH GUARD (was VEND):
    (HORRIBLE GARGLES) … p-pro patria m[ori] –
    (FX: THE WITCH GUARD DISSOLVES IN A MESSY SHOWER OF
    UNPLEASANTNESS)

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    I thought this thread was called The Listeners, not The Readers!

    (Will definitely have to re-listen to this at the weekend, as I don't recall having too much trouble with the Witch Guard dialogue.)

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    Well, the Morass in the next story is also hard to hear as well. Fortunately the Rat King and the rats in Rat Trap sound hearable and awesome (well, they are voiced by Terry Molloy)

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    Just had the chance to listen to Heroes of Sontar today and thoroughly enjoyed it. I struggled with the witch guard voices myself, though mostly just at the very end once the gestalt was up to it's complement of 7. Nice to see from the earlier posts that it's not just my ears letting me down. That aside - interesting story, well performed and a nice vein of comedy running through (though not too much).

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    Hello again, funniest story I've heard. Loved team Doctor and team Sontar. The Dad's Army references were hilarious. I was also interested by Nyssa and Tegan's conversation... Some difficulties with sound of Witch Guards but not too bad. After the more dramatic First Sontarans this was a fun contrast. A great story with Team Doctor as brill as ever.

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    Hated this story when I first listened to it but admit it's kinda grown on me after a few more listens.
    "You dont understand the implications, I'm not a human being, I'm a Timelord I walk in Eternity".

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    I had a listen to this a couple days ago while away on a trip and it really surprised me. Although the Doctor had some good moments, the companions really stood out in this audio and I also wish that this was on TV then we could've had at least 1 good Sonataran story from the 80s XD

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    Thanks to the Listeners I picked this one up and have to say I really enjoyed it - made me laugh out loud several times (which no doubt scared my customers on my delivery route!) there's lots of nice moments for all the regulars and as an experiment to just use the TARDIS crew & the monsters then I have to say it was a success

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    Much as I love the "character slowly dying" angst arc that drives a lot of BF stories, I'm getting a little tired of Nyssa constantly coming down with one illness or another. It reminds me of Possessed Telepath Syndrome, a malady that affects similar characters -- Cally, Troi, Lyta Alexander, and Nyssa herself -- in many different franchises. Against all logic, SF writers often assume that someone with ESP or other enhanced mental powers is especially fragile when it comes to mental attacks. Now it seems that "medical researcher who's accustomed to dealing with highly infectious diseases" is the one who's most inept when it comes to exposing herself to rabies, carnivorous moss, untreated wasp stings...etc, etc. I hope BF gets away from this trend. *eyes upcoming title suggestive of werewolves nervously*

    The first time I heard Heroes of Sontar, I'd just purchased it to cheer me up after being traumatized by Spare Parts, and the contrast in quality was unfortunate. I felt like the TARDIS regulars had been reduced to silly caricatures of themselves, with a dab of gratuitous sexist stereotypes (for both sexes) thrown in.

    I also had trouble understanding the Witch Guards. Then again, I often have trouble deciphering BF villains when they start playing with voice filters.

    A second listen made Heroes of Sontar much, much more enjoyable, and I was better able to appreciate the farce. It helped knowing the explanation for why the Sontarans were acting so thick.

    My favorite part of HoS, surprisingly, was Turlough: his initial cowardice in abandoning Nyssa seemed ridiculously exaggerated, but once he hooked up with Trooper Vend, the two of them were great together. The Nyssa & Tegan convo was also very sweet. I'm a sucker for the strong friendships that added a touch of joy to Five's first season and a half; it's nice to see those bonds continue.
    Last edited by sepdet; 9th February 2014 at 22:32.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sepdet View Post
    I also had trouble understanding the Witch Guards. Then again, I often have trouble deciphering BF villains when they start playing with voice filters.
    Sometimes the musical stings are heard just when a character makes a revelation and I find it hard to hear what they said, such as in the Avengers series 1.

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